The Torah is straight from G-d, the Creator of the Universe. There’s no possibility of making changes to it, or compromises.
It has nothing to do with humans. Every word is His. It’s the User’s Manual for life in this world. It is a gift given to us for our own benefit. If someone thinks they know better than Him, they’re making a mistake.
If you look at history carefully, you’ll find that the movements who tampered with the Torah did not last.
The ones who remained faithful to every word are still here after thousands of years, persecution, and exile around the globe.
Hi Ellen. I just want to comment that I don’t believe the words “bigotry” or “hate” are correct words to define the Torah view towards “gay” people. The way of life they chose is unequivocally forbidden by G-d and is the only forbidden relationship termed “an abomination” in the Torah. When G-d, Who created the world and obviously knows what is good for people, gives us directions, those are for our good - they’re instructions for a rewarding, productive life and a flourishing society. Keeping to that owner’s manual would have kept us from getting to the present awful state that the world is in.
This is not bigotry and it’s not hate. It’s knowing that G-d knows best and that ignoring His instructions brings bad results and destruction of society.
Being strongly opposed to a person’s actions and very aware that they are extremely sinful does not equal “hating” the person. We pray for them to repent.
Lastly, I am not sure why you thought you would not be welcome at our events. The door is open, and we never questioned anybody about their beliefs. Please join us next time - I look forward to meeting you.
Hi Brucha ... OK, I can see a difference between hate and hoping someone will repent for their sins. I don't agree that (consensual) homosexuality or bisexuality are sins, even if ancient texts credited to G-d, or Allah, that had human hands in their process of coming into existence, consider non-heterosexual acts to be sinful.
I hope those who see it that way may see things differently someday .. but even if not, I don't hate.
I've been to some outdoor rallies in Brooklyn, with various speakers each speaking for a few minutes, and I'll be back again. But on the livestreams of some indoor events a few months ago, the Rabbis spoke for a long time about evil, and for various reasons I don't need to explain on substack, their definition of evil went far beyond the vaccine pushers and the child butchers, and included myself, my tribe, and many others who could be allies. I rarely go to indoor events anyhow, (but I'd wanted to go when Ryan Cole was speaking, ended up not having time and listening online) - and I would have felt extremely uncomfortable sitting through that. Not for any sense of shame, but of frustration and sadness and being reminded why there is such a divide between religious and secular ... and the spirals go on, and in the name of keeping kids safe from judgement and abuse by loving parents who might ask them to slow down with their new trans identity, schools are complicit in so much abuse ... but the judgement expressed here about gays being sinful, is what the wokesters point to and conflate with reasonable concern ...
~~~
Sharing here what I shared on reply to Marek, from Heather Heying about the need to work together on stopping the mutilation of children ...
". . . Many adults have either abdicated their responsibility, or are actively in on the game, the game being: hurt the children. Those of us who can see this for what it is, though, who know that providing puberty blockers and sex hormones to children and teenagers is dangerous and immoral, and cutting off their healthy tissue is even farther beyond the pale—we need to speak. We need to put aside what differences we may have.
In some circles, we are all painted with a MAGA brush. It’s a quick route to discrediting a person or position, at least among those who are unthinkingly on the trans train. And yet there are many among us, myself included, who are lifelong liberals5. Not only aren’t all of us who recognize that biology is real “MAGA Republicans,” we’re not even all Republicans. Imagine that. Some of us are, and some of us aren’t. And yet we’re all human.
We may not agree on reproductive rights, or climate change, or the second amendment—although I often find that the divide between us isn’t as vast as we’ve been led to believe. But disagreement is fine. It’s good, even. We don’t want to be a clone army, all in lockstep, all believing exactly the same things, living exactly the same lives. We see reality—girls become women, and boys become men—and we are adamant that reality not be hidden from view. And when we find that we actually share core values—values like protect the children from harm—we stand together."
I was just talking to my wife about this today. Said, isn’t it weird how we used to castrate the mentally ill, and now we just tell them they’re something else and get them to castrate themselves???
"Major self-mutilation (MSM) is a rare but catastrophic complication of severe mental illness. Most people who inflict MSM have a psychotic disorder, usually a schizophrenia spectrum psychosis."
--- Schizophrenia Bulletin, 2009
"Nonsuicidal self-injury to the genitalia, or genital self-mutilation (GSM), is an uncommon form of self-harming behavior seen primarily, but not exclusively, in male patients with psychosis or schizophrenia spectrum disorders.... The majority of these cases have been examples of patients exhibiting a single episode of GSM often involving amputation of all or part of the penis and testicles."
--- Psychiatric Times, 2020
"In addition to treating any coexisting psychiatric conditions, cognitive-behavior therapy (CBT) can be an effective treatment for non-suicidal self-injury. This type of therapy addresses underlying negative thought patterns as well as the harmful behaviors themselves. Another important aspect of treatment is learning better coping mechanisms to replace the self-harm behaviors."
--- VeryWellMind, 2021
But if their negative thought patterns revolve around gender confusion and hating their genitals- then self-mutilation is part of the TREATMENT.
And don't you dare call it "a complication of mental illness", or try to talk them out of it!!
Respectfully disagreeing ... gay / bi, and trans are very different. The trans activists stuck that T on the end of LGB and co-opted the gay rights movement, they want people to think that gay rights is the same as the "right" of children to permanently mutilate their bodies. They want the message to be that discomfort with pronouns and puberty blockers is homophobic bigotry. Actual homophobic bigotry won't help.
Trans activism and the push for child mutilation, is done in the name of gay rights, but it's often the literal opposite - many kids who have feelings now classified as "dysphoria", are realizing they don't fit traditional models of gender or opposite sex attraction. A lot of kids would just end up being gay or bi if they were left alone and not led onto this gender "affirming" ( while being the opposite of affirming ), pipeline.
Please be careful of conflating the evil that is powerful interests sterilizing and experimenting on innocent human beings, with same sex attraction. Yes, the left has lost its mind by now, and freedom to love who and how one wishes has morphed into sexualizing children and drag queen story hour and not just non-monogomy as a choice, but as a looking down on traditional family values. And of course hormones and surgeries for children is horrific - there is no way they can give informed consent, and it is not being done with "affirmation" and "inclusion" as the goal.
But the strictness of organized religion that conflates guilt with sexual desire, and conflates homosexuality with evil, is part of what pushes some people away to the other end of the extreme.
There are gay organizations that are horrified by what's happening to children from this push to medicalize gender nonconformity. If anything, many who are gender nonconforming, and / or gay / bi, are especially horrified by what is being done in the name of supporting gender nonconformity, but is the inverse of support.
LGB organizations have been co-opted by the T. In order to promote transgender ideology, billionaires created “philanthropic” foundations. These foundations donated money to LGB organizations, with strings attached, redirecting priorities and resources to the T and rebranding LGB organizations as “LGBT” organizations. LGB Fight Back refers to these captured organizations as “LGBT Inc.” “LGBT Inc.” became the vehicle to indoctrinate LGB people into believing transgender ideology."
Hope we all can be united. Some see child gender medicalization as disgusting and must be stopped because their values are more traditional. Others (like me), see it as disgusting and must be stopped because of a felt sense of being outside of a gender binary*, and a belief that there are many ways to be, and love, and that gender nonconformity and same sex attraction should be safe for young people to find their way through. And finding one's way through being not-heterosexual in a truly accepting world would *Not* include being encouraged to destroy one's body trying to become what's biologically impossible.
* ( To be clear, when I say outside of a gender binary, I mean gender as Software, that doesn't have to match biological sex. It's possible to see gender as non binary and Also understand that biological sex, as Hardware, Is binary - that's what makes us humans, mammals, part of the biological system ... that psychopaths want to change.
I realized this past year how far things have gotten with medicalization of gender and children through biologist Heather Heying on the Dark Horse Podcast. I appreciated when she spoke fondly of David Bowie, as example of someone who could just experiment with gender, but not be in doubt about what his biological sex is. That's what feels like affirmation of queerness, of recognizing, OK, want to be non-binary, be non-binary, be the other, maybe change back, or be both, or neither. Don't need to obsess over it or make the world change pronouns, but if gender is software, it doesn't have to match the sex Born As (not "assigned at birth"!!!!).
Some might be horrified about that in itself, but I think the spaces between and that combine male and female are beautiful. And I know those spaces can be explored and appreciated without surgical knives and irreversible hormone treatments and indoctrination of children.
When they conflate queerness with irreversible medicalization procedures they lie about the safety of, it's an attack on so many things ... it's an attack on what religious people hold sacred, and it's also an attack on the gender inclusive, safe to explore one's identity, atmosphere they Pretend to be supporting.
Which is why, from different angles, with different folks working together, this can be exposed and brought down. But it would be a tragedy if there are irreconcilable divisions between conservative and liberal, religious and secular, people bringing awareness to the horrors of mutilation in the name of affirmation. I strongly disagree with what Matt Walsh had written a few years ago about gay marriage. But I still joined Daily Wire to see What Is A Woman?, thought it was really well done (even the end that some felt was too sex stereotypical, I thought it was sweet). Much respect to Matt Walsh and the great work he is doing to expose this. But I also don't think he's saying gays are evil, just that gay marriage is not within the definitions of marriage. I do think (and, Brucha, I've felt this was various times listening to the Rabbis speak about evil on livestreamed events), that conflating homosexuality with evil will hurt the coalition building needed ... and also casts too wide a net for an accusation so dark ... )
Hi Marek .. we're obviously coming from very different places ... yet some things we do agree on. What's happening to children is tragic and wrong, and butchers are destroying their bodies without their understanding.
You say that religious Jews are being targeted by Big Government at the behest of Big Gay and it has a lot to do with demonizing your sexual morality as a form of bigotry. .
Yet considering being gay one of the worst sins, next to the taking of innocent life .. that sounds like bigotry ...
Is there a difference between sexual acts between consenting adults, and pedophilia?
Sodomy is not child molestation if it's not happening to children. If it is an adult raping or grooming a child, it is horrible, as is rape between a man and a young girl who does not consent.
I don't know how many heterosexual men lust after children, or have sexually molested children, but it's enough to have traumatized many girls, and many daughters. Child abuse is not only done by gays. And however / whoever does it, is not OK.
I think heterosexual sex is OK, if there is respect and consent. But I don't think it should be taught to young children, and I don't think libraries should have "hetero soft porn story hours" for little kids, with straight people dressed in super sexual ways.
I think homosexual sex is OK, if there is respect and consent. I don't think "drag queen story hour" is OK, especially not in the context of the gender - medicalization nightmare that we all agree is so, so wrong.
I do see that there's something, more and more, too intense about the whole "Pride" thing, that's over saturated and obnoxious. In June (Pride month), being in midtown Manhattan was energetically and visually brutal. I kept thinking how outrageously way too much it's become that someone as (very) open minded as me is appalled and disgusted with the bright rainbows everywhere, and wants to vomit the rainbow, as in the cartoon where the Mom says, "how was school today?", and in the next frame the child vomits a rainbow. (I was always disgusted by the bright digital advertising, but this June, maybe also knowing more about the trans medicalization, it was just awful. But that's not a reflection of individuals. There is something bigger driving this.
I grew up (reform) Jewish. I did not even know that religious Jews consider gays such enemies or feel there is a mandate from G-d to destroy them. (But I felt the pain of a boy I used to spend time with, when I was in my mid twenties and he in his early twenties, who struggled intensely with how his feelings of natural desire, that could be shared respectfully and safely, were considered sinful and bad by his Orthodox Jewish community. Especially after that, I had judgements towards strict religions, that I recently have softened .. and as my judgements softened through appreciating the good work of the religious Jewish community fighting the "vaccine" mandates, I felt judgements from them.)
Is gender dysphoria real or a myth? If it is real, it's nowhere near the proportions it's being touted as. Kids are being manipulated into "dysphoria". The sane psychiatrist in "What Is A Woman?" said that the amount of people with true gender dysphoria is incredibly rare. I agree that what's going on with so many kids is not actually gender dysphoria, it's being groomed to think that. Their relationships with their own bodies, interrupted and manipulated and poisoned.
But just being gay (or, um, bi), does not equal grooming. There are plenty of non heterosexual people who would not want to be with anyone without absolute consent, and who are not attracted to children.
Maybe homosexuals have feelings different than what straight people understand, and there could be humility there?
Gay parenting does not equal grooming either.
There is serious evil attempting to take over. Strictly religious people are probably all strongly already against sterilization / mutilation and injection the way the system is ramming those things through.
A tipping point could be if the people who are thinking that using pronouns is helping vulnerable communities, and believing that these school curriculums are mind opening and harmless, etc, - if they could understand that the medical system, and many Democrats, in the name of "affirmation" are destroying childrens' bodies, and this is NOT just being done on people who are truly sure it's the right path after considerable thought.
Then the scales could tip, and Dems could turn against their party, seeing in horror what it has become.
But the hatred of homosexuality will come across like poison to many of those who could be allies. I'm not saying hatred of pedophilia, of grooming children, or raping children will come across like poison. But hatred of homosexuality will. I agreed with much of what Brucha spoke about in her powerful speeches at protests. But some was very difficult to hear. Yet at the end of the day, we need to stand together, and I already know these injections are more than very, very bad. Others who are beginning to question safe and effective, like a friend who almost came to one protest, whose adult son and his husband are raising a child together, may judge the entire movement against mandates as matching how the media slanders.
I thought of coming to some other indoor events in Brooklyn, but hearing the Rabbis speak on livestream told me I would not be welcome there. I still deeply appreciate the heartfelt work they are doing, and I won't turn away from this movement because of these differences, but others who are just beginning to question the narrative might.
With respect, but please separate gay and pedo - they are different. Of course some pedophiliacs are gay. And some are not. By being so strongly against gays, it may serve to fuel the argument that anyone questioning "progressive" policies hates gays and wants them to go back in the closet. So progressive politicians and curriculums (are thought to) stand for inclusion and caring, and that logical fallacy lets actual grooming and mutilation of kids sneak in on those "progressive" policies. . .
I guess if one takes exactly literally the Torah, the Bible, or other ancient texts, what you say makes sense. But I don't take those texts literally, and the intensity of the views of those who do, pushes many away from wanting to go near them, when there may be much wisdom contained there, however those texts came to pass. Which I don't think can be known for certain.
We will never agree on some things ... I'd like to share some of what Heather Heying wrote in her substack today, about the realities of biology.
". . . Many adults have either abdicated their responsibility, or are actively in on the game, the game being: hurt the children. Those of us who can see this for what it is, though, who know that providing puberty blockers and sex hormones to children and teenagers is dangerous and immoral, and cutting off their healthy tissue is even farther beyond the pale—we need to speak. We need to put aside what differences we may have.
In some circles, we are all painted with a MAGA brush. It’s a quick route to discrediting a person or position, at least among those who are unthinkingly on the trans train. And yet there are many among us, myself included, who are lifelong liberals5. Not only aren’t all of us who recognize that biology is real “MAGA Republicans,” we’re not even all Republicans. Imagine that. Some of us are, and some of us aren’t. And yet we’re all human.
We may not agree on reproductive rights, or climate change, or the second amendment—although I often find that the divide between us isn’t as vast as we’ve been led to believe. But disagreement is fine. It’s good, even. We don’t want to be a clone army, all in lockstep, all believing exactly the same things, living exactly the same lives. We see reality—girls become women, and boys become men—and we are adamant that reality not be hidden from view. And when we find that we actually share core values—values like protect the children from harm—we stand together."
Bestiality is different because there is not consent. Love is love and I love my dog like a daughter, but I understand she is a different species. Regarding sexuality with animals, even if it could be said that some animals seem to be consenting, and love their people, they cannot cognitively consent to a sexual act with a human - that's why I consider it morally wrong, and not sexual bigotry to look down on, as its not sexual bigotry to call heterosexual rape of children wrong, as the children cannot consent.
Thank you Brucha. Will share. Gmar Chatimah Tovah 🥰
The Torah is straight from G-d, the Creator of the Universe. There’s no possibility of making changes to it, or compromises.
It has nothing to do with humans. Every word is His. It’s the User’s Manual for life in this world. It is a gift given to us for our own benefit. If someone thinks they know better than Him, they’re making a mistake.
If you look at history carefully, you’ll find that the movements who tampered with the Torah did not last.
The ones who remained faithful to every word are still here after thousands of years, persecution, and exile around the globe.
Torah is life.
Hi Ellen. I just want to comment that I don’t believe the words “bigotry” or “hate” are correct words to define the Torah view towards “gay” people. The way of life they chose is unequivocally forbidden by G-d and is the only forbidden relationship termed “an abomination” in the Torah. When G-d, Who created the world and obviously knows what is good for people, gives us directions, those are for our good - they’re instructions for a rewarding, productive life and a flourishing society. Keeping to that owner’s manual would have kept us from getting to the present awful state that the world is in.
This is not bigotry and it’s not hate. It’s knowing that G-d knows best and that ignoring His instructions brings bad results and destruction of society.
Being strongly opposed to a person’s actions and very aware that they are extremely sinful does not equal “hating” the person. We pray for them to repent.
Lastly, I am not sure why you thought you would not be welcome at our events. The door is open, and we never questioned anybody about their beliefs. Please join us next time - I look forward to meeting you.
Hi Brucha ... OK, I can see a difference between hate and hoping someone will repent for their sins. I don't agree that (consensual) homosexuality or bisexuality are sins, even if ancient texts credited to G-d, or Allah, that had human hands in their process of coming into existence, consider non-heterosexual acts to be sinful.
I hope those who see it that way may see things differently someday .. but even if not, I don't hate.
I've been to some outdoor rallies in Brooklyn, with various speakers each speaking for a few minutes, and I'll be back again. But on the livestreams of some indoor events a few months ago, the Rabbis spoke for a long time about evil, and for various reasons I don't need to explain on substack, their definition of evil went far beyond the vaccine pushers and the child butchers, and included myself, my tribe, and many others who could be allies. I rarely go to indoor events anyhow, (but I'd wanted to go when Ryan Cole was speaking, ended up not having time and listening online) - and I would have felt extremely uncomfortable sitting through that. Not for any sense of shame, but of frustration and sadness and being reminded why there is such a divide between religious and secular ... and the spirals go on, and in the name of keeping kids safe from judgement and abuse by loving parents who might ask them to slow down with their new trans identity, schools are complicit in so much abuse ... but the judgement expressed here about gays being sinful, is what the wokesters point to and conflate with reasonable concern ...
~~~
Sharing here what I shared on reply to Marek, from Heather Heying about the need to work together on stopping the mutilation of children ...
https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/whatdogirlsdo
". . . Many adults have either abdicated their responsibility, or are actively in on the game, the game being: hurt the children. Those of us who can see this for what it is, though, who know that providing puberty blockers and sex hormones to children and teenagers is dangerous and immoral, and cutting off their healthy tissue is even farther beyond the pale—we need to speak. We need to put aside what differences we may have.
In some circles, we are all painted with a MAGA brush. It’s a quick route to discrediting a person or position, at least among those who are unthinkingly on the trans train. And yet there are many among us, myself included, who are lifelong liberals5. Not only aren’t all of us who recognize that biology is real “MAGA Republicans,” we’re not even all Republicans. Imagine that. Some of us are, and some of us aren’t. And yet we’re all human.
We may not agree on reproductive rights, or climate change, or the second amendment—although I often find that the divide between us isn’t as vast as we’ve been led to believe. But disagreement is fine. It’s good, even. We don’t want to be a clone army, all in lockstep, all believing exactly the same things, living exactly the same lives. We see reality—girls become women, and boys become men—and we are adamant that reality not be hidden from view. And when we find that we actually share core values—values like protect the children from harm—we stand together."
Here are some links I should have included:
https://youtu.be/DWbxIFC0Q2o
https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/child-custodys-gender-gauntlet
I was just talking to my wife about this today. Said, isn’t it weird how we used to castrate the mentally ill, and now we just tell them they’re something else and get them to castrate themselves???
It’s pure evil. The battle is upon us.
"Major self-mutilation (MSM) is a rare but catastrophic complication of severe mental illness. Most people who inflict MSM have a psychotic disorder, usually a schizophrenia spectrum psychosis."
--- Schizophrenia Bulletin, 2009
"Nonsuicidal self-injury to the genitalia, or genital self-mutilation (GSM), is an uncommon form of self-harming behavior seen primarily, but not exclusively, in male patients with psychosis or schizophrenia spectrum disorders.... The majority of these cases have been examples of patients exhibiting a single episode of GSM often involving amputation of all or part of the penis and testicles."
--- Psychiatric Times, 2020
"In addition to treating any coexisting psychiatric conditions, cognitive-behavior therapy (CBT) can be an effective treatment for non-suicidal self-injury. This type of therapy addresses underlying negative thought patterns as well as the harmful behaviors themselves. Another important aspect of treatment is learning better coping mechanisms to replace the self-harm behaviors."
--- VeryWellMind, 2021
But if their negative thought patterns revolve around gender confusion and hating their genitals- then self-mutilation is part of the TREATMENT.
And don't you dare call it "a complication of mental illness", or try to talk them out of it!!
Respectfully disagreeing ... gay / bi, and trans are very different. The trans activists stuck that T on the end of LGB and co-opted the gay rights movement, they want people to think that gay rights is the same as the "right" of children to permanently mutilate their bodies. They want the message to be that discomfort with pronouns and puberty blockers is homophobic bigotry. Actual homophobic bigotry won't help.
Trans activism and the push for child mutilation, is done in the name of gay rights, but it's often the literal opposite - many kids who have feelings now classified as "dysphoria", are realizing they don't fit traditional models of gender or opposite sex attraction. A lot of kids would just end up being gay or bi if they were left alone and not led onto this gender "affirming" ( while being the opposite of affirming ), pipeline.
https://thevelvetchronicle.com/medicalization-of-gender-non-conforming-children-vulnerability-of-lesbian-youth/
In Iran, homosexuality is criminalized. But "gender affirming" surgeries are encouraged. https://iraniansurgery.com/en/what-is-the-purpose-of-sex-reassignment-surgery/
Please be careful of conflating the evil that is powerful interests sterilizing and experimenting on innocent human beings, with same sex attraction. Yes, the left has lost its mind by now, and freedom to love who and how one wishes has morphed into sexualizing children and drag queen story hour and not just non-monogomy as a choice, but as a looking down on traditional family values. And of course hormones and surgeries for children is horrific - there is no way they can give informed consent, and it is not being done with "affirmation" and "inclusion" as the goal.
But the strictness of organized religion that conflates guilt with sexual desire, and conflates homosexuality with evil, is part of what pushes some people away to the other end of the extreme.
There are gay organizations that are horrified by what's happening to children from this push to medicalize gender nonconformity. If anything, many who are gender nonconforming, and / or gay / bi, are especially horrified by what is being done in the name of supporting gender nonconformity, but is the inverse of support.
https://lgbfightback.org/questions-answers/ - "
LGB organizations have been co-opted by the T. In order to promote transgender ideology, billionaires created “philanthropic” foundations. These foundations donated money to LGB organizations, with strings attached, redirecting priorities and resources to the T and rebranding LGB organizations as “LGBT” organizations. LGB Fight Back refers to these captured organizations as “LGBT Inc.” “LGBT Inc.” became the vehicle to indoctrinate LGB people into believing transgender ideology."
Hope we all can be united. Some see child gender medicalization as disgusting and must be stopped because their values are more traditional. Others (like me), see it as disgusting and must be stopped because of a felt sense of being outside of a gender binary*, and a belief that there are many ways to be, and love, and that gender nonconformity and same sex attraction should be safe for young people to find their way through. And finding one's way through being not-heterosexual in a truly accepting world would *Not* include being encouraged to destroy one's body trying to become what's biologically impossible.
* ( To be clear, when I say outside of a gender binary, I mean gender as Software, that doesn't have to match biological sex. It's possible to see gender as non binary and Also understand that biological sex, as Hardware, Is binary - that's what makes us humans, mammals, part of the biological system ... that psychopaths want to change.
I realized this past year how far things have gotten with medicalization of gender and children through biologist Heather Heying on the Dark Horse Podcast. I appreciated when she spoke fondly of David Bowie, as example of someone who could just experiment with gender, but not be in doubt about what his biological sex is. That's what feels like affirmation of queerness, of recognizing, OK, want to be non-binary, be non-binary, be the other, maybe change back, or be both, or neither. Don't need to obsess over it or make the world change pronouns, but if gender is software, it doesn't have to match the sex Born As (not "assigned at birth"!!!!).
Some might be horrified about that in itself, but I think the spaces between and that combine male and female are beautiful. And I know those spaces can be explored and appreciated without surgical knives and irreversible hormone treatments and indoctrination of children.
When they conflate queerness with irreversible medicalization procedures they lie about the safety of, it's an attack on so many things ... it's an attack on what religious people hold sacred, and it's also an attack on the gender inclusive, safe to explore one's identity, atmosphere they Pretend to be supporting.
Which is why, from different angles, with different folks working together, this can be exposed and brought down. But it would be a tragedy if there are irreconcilable divisions between conservative and liberal, religious and secular, people bringing awareness to the horrors of mutilation in the name of affirmation. I strongly disagree with what Matt Walsh had written a few years ago about gay marriage. But I still joined Daily Wire to see What Is A Woman?, thought it was really well done (even the end that some felt was too sex stereotypical, I thought it was sweet). Much respect to Matt Walsh and the great work he is doing to expose this. But I also don't think he's saying gays are evil, just that gay marriage is not within the definitions of marriage. I do think (and, Brucha, I've felt this was various times listening to the Rabbis speak about evil on livestreamed events), that conflating homosexuality with evil will hurt the coalition building needed ... and also casts too wide a net for an accusation so dark ... )
Hi Marek .. we're obviously coming from very different places ... yet some things we do agree on. What's happening to children is tragic and wrong, and butchers are destroying their bodies without their understanding.
You say that religious Jews are being targeted by Big Government at the behest of Big Gay and it has a lot to do with demonizing your sexual morality as a form of bigotry. .
Yet considering being gay one of the worst sins, next to the taking of innocent life .. that sounds like bigotry ...
Is there a difference between sexual acts between consenting adults, and pedophilia?
Sodomy is not child molestation if it's not happening to children. If it is an adult raping or grooming a child, it is horrible, as is rape between a man and a young girl who does not consent.
I don't know how many heterosexual men lust after children, or have sexually molested children, but it's enough to have traumatized many girls, and many daughters. Child abuse is not only done by gays. And however / whoever does it, is not OK.
I think heterosexual sex is OK, if there is respect and consent. But I don't think it should be taught to young children, and I don't think libraries should have "hetero soft porn story hours" for little kids, with straight people dressed in super sexual ways.
I think homosexual sex is OK, if there is respect and consent. I don't think "drag queen story hour" is OK, especially not in the context of the gender - medicalization nightmare that we all agree is so, so wrong.
I do see that there's something, more and more, too intense about the whole "Pride" thing, that's over saturated and obnoxious. In June (Pride month), being in midtown Manhattan was energetically and visually brutal. I kept thinking how outrageously way too much it's become that someone as (very) open minded as me is appalled and disgusted with the bright rainbows everywhere, and wants to vomit the rainbow, as in the cartoon where the Mom says, "how was school today?", and in the next frame the child vomits a rainbow. (I was always disgusted by the bright digital advertising, but this June, maybe also knowing more about the trans medicalization, it was just awful. But that's not a reflection of individuals. There is something bigger driving this.
I grew up (reform) Jewish. I did not even know that religious Jews consider gays such enemies or feel there is a mandate from G-d to destroy them. (But I felt the pain of a boy I used to spend time with, when I was in my mid twenties and he in his early twenties, who struggled intensely with how his feelings of natural desire, that could be shared respectfully and safely, were considered sinful and bad by his Orthodox Jewish community. Especially after that, I had judgements towards strict religions, that I recently have softened .. and as my judgements softened through appreciating the good work of the religious Jewish community fighting the "vaccine" mandates, I felt judgements from them.)
Is gender dysphoria real or a myth? If it is real, it's nowhere near the proportions it's being touted as. Kids are being manipulated into "dysphoria". The sane psychiatrist in "What Is A Woman?" said that the amount of people with true gender dysphoria is incredibly rare. I agree that what's going on with so many kids is not actually gender dysphoria, it's being groomed to think that. Their relationships with their own bodies, interrupted and manipulated and poisoned.
But just being gay (or, um, bi), does not equal grooming. There are plenty of non heterosexual people who would not want to be with anyone without absolute consent, and who are not attracted to children.
Maybe homosexuals have feelings different than what straight people understand, and there could be humility there?
Gay parenting does not equal grooming either.
There is serious evil attempting to take over. Strictly religious people are probably all strongly already against sterilization / mutilation and injection the way the system is ramming those things through.
A tipping point could be if the people who are thinking that using pronouns is helping vulnerable communities, and believing that these school curriculums are mind opening and harmless, etc, - if they could understand that the medical system, and many Democrats, in the name of "affirmation" are destroying childrens' bodies, and this is NOT just being done on people who are truly sure it's the right path after considerable thought.
Then the scales could tip, and Dems could turn against their party, seeing in horror what it has become.
But the hatred of homosexuality will come across like poison to many of those who could be allies. I'm not saying hatred of pedophilia, of grooming children, or raping children will come across like poison. But hatred of homosexuality will. I agreed with much of what Brucha spoke about in her powerful speeches at protests. But some was very difficult to hear. Yet at the end of the day, we need to stand together, and I already know these injections are more than very, very bad. Others who are beginning to question safe and effective, like a friend who almost came to one protest, whose adult son and his husband are raising a child together, may judge the entire movement against mandates as matching how the media slanders.
I thought of coming to some other indoor events in Brooklyn, but hearing the Rabbis speak on livestream told me I would not be welcome there. I still deeply appreciate the heartfelt work they are doing, and I won't turn away from this movement because of these differences, but others who are just beginning to question the narrative might.
With respect, but please separate gay and pedo - they are different. Of course some pedophiliacs are gay. And some are not. By being so strongly against gays, it may serve to fuel the argument that anyone questioning "progressive" policies hates gays and wants them to go back in the closet. So progressive politicians and curriculums (are thought to) stand for inclusion and caring, and that logical fallacy lets actual grooming and mutilation of kids sneak in on those "progressive" policies. . .
I guess if one takes exactly literally the Torah, the Bible, or other ancient texts, what you say makes sense. But I don't take those texts literally, and the intensity of the views of those who do, pushes many away from wanting to go near them, when there may be much wisdom contained there, however those texts came to pass. Which I don't think can be known for certain.
We will never agree on some things ... I'd like to share some of what Heather Heying wrote in her substack today, about the realities of biology.
https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/whatdogirlsdo
". . . Many adults have either abdicated their responsibility, or are actively in on the game, the game being: hurt the children. Those of us who can see this for what it is, though, who know that providing puberty blockers and sex hormones to children and teenagers is dangerous and immoral, and cutting off their healthy tissue is even farther beyond the pale—we need to speak. We need to put aside what differences we may have.
In some circles, we are all painted with a MAGA brush. It’s a quick route to discrediting a person or position, at least among those who are unthinkingly on the trans train. And yet there are many among us, myself included, who are lifelong liberals5. Not only aren’t all of us who recognize that biology is real “MAGA Republicans,” we’re not even all Republicans. Imagine that. Some of us are, and some of us aren’t. And yet we’re all human.
We may not agree on reproductive rights, or climate change, or the second amendment—although I often find that the divide between us isn’t as vast as we’ve been led to believe. But disagreement is fine. It’s good, even. We don’t want to be a clone army, all in lockstep, all believing exactly the same things, living exactly the same lives. We see reality—girls become women, and boys become men—and we are adamant that reality not be hidden from view. And when we find that we actually share core values—values like protect the children from harm—we stand together."
Bestiality is different because there is not consent. Love is love and I love my dog like a daughter, but I understand she is a different species. Regarding sexuality with animals, even if it could be said that some animals seem to be consenting, and love their people, they cannot cognitively consent to a sexual act with a human - that's why I consider it morally wrong, and not sexual bigotry to look down on, as its not sexual bigotry to call heterosexual rape of children wrong, as the children cannot consent.
If they add a Z to that flag, it will be another step towards madness (and there already is talk about "Species Disphoria") - https://freedomofform.org/?s=species&post_type%5B%5D=any&search_limit_to_post_titles=0&fs=1 )